Each Refoam Kit includes all the materials needed to repair two (2) speakers: It will not only protect your worktop, but it will also protect your speaker as refoam it. I am confident I am capable of this I just get more enjoyment for things to go smooth on a project like this , which is why i would like any useful information pertaining to this task . Board index General Audio Discussion Speakers, Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests. The most important thing to remember is that the surrounds must overlap the speaker cone on the inside edge and the speaker basket on the outside edge. Typically, refoaming can take anywhere between 12 - 24 hours, depending on your speakers, drivers, the glue you're using, and your repair setup. of the surround = 9.75 The old foam can be messy and sticky so work on newspaper. Could anyone give some advice on wiring hookup? of the surround = 8.83, Flat attachment to cone Now separate the gasket from the steel frame gently using a razor knife. I have an app on my iPhone called tone generator. Choosing the right headset with good mic advice needed ! Simply let it attach itself exactly where it falls. Stock Status:(Out of Stock) Availability: Usually Ships Out Within 7 Days . Sometimes the job feels good with the push technique. Just enough signal to centre it, and do not ramp up for about 24 hours after. >We are sorry you feel that way. Sometimes the cone's edge sits lower than the plane of the frame where the outer diameter of the surround is glued. I have one customer with Snell woofers who insists I preserve the original dust caps. I remove the dust cap and shim. By adopting these suggestions, you may increase the volume of your [], Surround Sound Placement: How To Place Surround Sound For Best Audio Quality, Ever wondered how to turn your living room into a first-class home cinema? Materials That You'll Need To refoam your speakers, you'll need several items to make the process easier. Step 1: remove the dust-cap Place the woofer horizontally on the back. of the surround = 7.125, Angled attachment to cone When using the speakers in tropical and humid conditions. I am not familiar with that exact speaker, but after you glue the inner edge and it dries, you can move the cone in and out and kind of center it by feel. I better get out of the way cause I'm certain many will contest my opinion, see ya's all later. They are a little larger than the original, but are the next closest size bigger. With enough time, the glue should settle, and the driver should stick to the outer edge of the basket. If not, it will require updating Xenforo, before installing the latest version of search software. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abXT1n6AhmA, It is currently Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:24 am. Free UPS Ground Shipping in the Mainland US on most Eminence Guitar Speakers and Eminence Pro Woofers! Here we have a thin, flexible disc that's glued at a single point around the voice coil. There are certain advantages to using foam for speaker surrounds. Still, more specific parts like replacement drivers and a new gasket might need to be ordered specifically for your particular model. Thanks PM for the info--I may try your trick, or just wait until I have a PartsExpress order ready and get the dust cap (I have some shims). Listnnthdark Well-Known Member. It was very disappointing to get essentially no sound out of those speakers after all that work. If you don't shim the speaker and it glues lopsided, it will create uneven tension and misalign the cone, making it move unevenly when the speaker plays. Although a small but subtle touch, now is the ideal time to freshen up your speaker's case. Under the dust cover shows the voice-coil in the air gap of the magnet. Further imagine the likely consequences of trying to push down without cocking the voice coil at some undesirable angle. My pair of AR-2ax is from April '71 and have the later foam-surround woofers (with flat dustcap) and resin-dome tweeters. I have the cd with a 30hz tone and it worked well for a pair of jbl le8 speakers. too bad the surrounds are completely gone? Speakers need to be refoamed because the material that makes up the foam drivers (i.e. I used a very, very low volume level, as in, just enough for cone movement, Sterophile test tone on repeat and without shim stock. Perfect for any average do-it-yourselfer. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. 2 Foam Surrounds The shim should be able to keep the cone stable so that it does not move up and down. Do not attempt to pull, stretch, slide, or move it in any way. Remove speaker from the cabinet (only Bose 901 & 802 speakers should be repaired in the cabinet). Just as you're settling down to listen to your favorite song, you hear it. By now, you've followed our useful speaking refoaming guide, and you have a pair of newly refoamed speakers standing in front of you. if you cant catch it with your eyeballs.. try using a video camera. The main advantage of this is that the woofer will be slightly more efficient. Outside Diameter: 9.625 We can make your speakers sound like new again! Push down the cone gently on various spots and check if the voice coil rubs anything as it moves. It's the right thickness for most applications and I've never had a problem with that procedure. Midwest Speaker Repair can replace the surroundand make your speakers sound just like new! B Roll ends = 8.625 Put your hairdryer on medium, holding it around 2" from the gasket, and run it in a circular motion for around 3-4 minutes around the ring. Replacement drivers that fit your speaker. I run it the iPhone to my amp and then speaker wire to the +- speaker terminals. Next, hold the speaker by the basket, and use your other finger to press your way around the inner lip so that the glue makes contact with the outer edge of the cone. This will cause friction, poor sound, and possibly further damage. Use this time to finish cleaning up your cabinets. Use the tables below to determine the correct surrounds for your speakers. The foam edge (or surround) usually wears out after ten or twenty years. C O.D. Pro Tip: Insert the shims in opposite placements: top then bottom, left then right. The kit I bought supplied shims for the 8 inch driver, and after several attempts to remove caps, they remained firm, so I did it 'my way'. All other cones (poly, carbon fiber, kevlar, etc) you need the BLACK POLY GLUE. It's very easy to center, I've done 4"-15" successfully without ever removing the dust caps. 12-12-2008, 12:50 AM. I know this is an old post but I thought I'd add my two cents worth. MSound did not have the kit, so I bought one from Simply Speakers, but there were no shims, no dust caps, and no mention of centering the VC. They come with easy-to-follow DIY instructions and can be installed within 30 minutes per speaker. Speaker manufacturers use different surround materials, including foam, rubber, and treated cloth. And thanks Vern & Carl for the sympathy! Use your rag to clean the housing inside and out, removing debris, dust, or scuff marks that may have accumulated over time. of the cone = 7.625 Wipe away excess glue with a damp towel. of the surround = 11.625 A O.D. After you first glue joint is completely dry apply a thin layer of glue to both the steel frame and outside lip of the foam surround. If the measurements listed below do not match your speakers, please call. Now, just imagine a cross-section of a woofer. Each speaker repair kit includes: Best quality new speaker surround Detailed easy to follow instructions demonstrating how to replace the speaker surrounds with or without removing the dust caps Special professional speaker adhesive (manufactured specifically for speakers) Brush for applying the adhesive Free phone/eMail technical support A Outside diameter of the surround = 6 Once it is dry, apply another thin layer of glue to both the outside lip of the foam and the steel frame and press the surround carefully to stick. The foam edge (or surround) usually wears out after ten or twenty years. And thanks Vern & Carl for the. To get started, place your disposable towel down on top of your workstation. Don't do business with whomever sent you that incomplete kit. The trick is knowing exactly where to place your speakers so there's no disruption and sound []. Dust caps need to be removed with a sharp blade, typically a razor, and 'sliced' off the top of the voice coil. of the surround = 9.75 There are plus and minus aspects to either method. The measurements listed here do not have to match your speakers exactly for the surrounds to work. If not, you can skim over this section. Some surrounds will fitbetter if they are gently stretched out or if theyare a little too big. C O.D. Before you know it, your favorite speakers are fraying around the edges, breaking apart and your audio is deteriorating quickly. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have always used the shims per directions that came with the kits, but I do not like to cut off the dust caps nor have I found this method foolproof. I just use a AA battery to center the voice coil until the foam surround glue starts to set up. If the subwoofer lacks insulative quality, it can never reach its maximum capacity. These are skills that any elementary-school kid has likely acquired. Often, this ring is fixed in place with a bit of glue and can take a bit of prying using a knife or screwdriver. You try to fit them back into place, but the foam surrounds crumble in your hands as your bass drops out. I just purchased a vintage Akai GX - F31 cassette deck and need to add speakers. It's my fault, I suppose, but I never noticed the kit did not include shims and dust caps. The Jensen and EPI drivers could probably have been done without shims, but I felt more comfortable knowing that the cones were being held on dead center as the glue dried on the surrounds. The majority of these can be bought from your local supermarket. If I'm not mistaken, a couple of accomplished and well seasoned individuals who have had actual AR Corp. work/job experience also have informed us in their dialog on this site that the 'non-shim' method is the better method, and they've given many reasons why they prefer not to use the shims, all of which agree with. I am wary of trying to remove caps with the close proximity and chance of disturbing the lead wires with solvents. Our YouTube videos make installation easy! Foam is generally more flexible than rubber. >Sean Ryan, Tom Ryan, and the crew at Simply Speakers. In that case, it's pretty tough to get the inner diameter of the surround glued to the cone's edge first. When measuring dust caps, make sure you include the lip of the cap, not just the dome itself. It helps the subwoofer to move back and forth with better control. Delete. I've refoamed just two pair of speakers, but here . As much as we don't like to hear it,speakers don't last forever. A O.D. It's 100% effective. A slow, yet significant, ebbing of sound that starts to worsen. The majority of these can be bought from your local supermarket. C O.D. The plastic shims are used to center the voice coil and cone assembly while the speaker is being refoamed. Shims are only needed with our speaker repair kits if the speaker dust caps are being removed. Join the foam by carefully placing it on the glue area and pressing it down gently. of the surround = 4. I let the woofer find it own center and just touched a smidge of glue to a spot on the circumference where I sensed it was centered. Sorry to hear about your rude response from Simply Speakers. Continue until most of the foam has been removed, until you can't pick at it anymore. Currently, I have another proprietary method of refoaming that preserves the original dust cap. Now, you'll glue the driver to the basket, officially connecting the cone to the driver and the driver to the frame of the speaker. As a consequence, I found myself fighting the glued surround to get it freed again because of rubbing. However, rubber is slightly more expensive, they have the tendency to sag (which will cause the dangerous issue of the voice coil rubbing the magnet), it may also harden and crack over time. contacted the folks at BOSE about repairing the 901's, their reply was to sell me an updated series VI speaker with new EQ for close to $800.00 with trade-in of my series IV. This is because the salty sea air may easily and quickly affect the foam edges. Do not be worried if you see some glue residue on the surface. I prefer to use the 'non-shim' method because in terms of the AR 12 inch woofer I truly believe it's dust cover is an important part of its look and perhaps even its sound in my mind. Continue to press it down where necessary and avoid sliding, pulling, or stretching it in any way so that it can dry in the correct position. i guess that is minor. The search function is not working. Allow it to dry. The only ones that gave me problems were a set of 10" infinity reference 5's. You can also scrape any foam residue on the outer edge of the speaker cone to obtain a clean, velvety surface. Dec 16, 2014. I already left positive feedback on ebay. Note: Do not apply glue to the foam, as doing this will make the foam curl, making the entire repair process incredibly difficult. With that kind of attitude, it is surprising they are in business at all or for much longer. My first experience was about 10+ years ago with a kit by mailorder. Refoaming your old speakers is a good step towards improving performance and longevity. Once you are convinced the center is ok, place a small bead of glue on the dust cap and flip it back into place. Just do a search for "speaker surround repair" and you'll see a bunch of hits. Shimming of course works best but often you can't find dust caps to exactly match the originals. Make sure the shims are evenly spaced, and the fit is snug. Messages: 514 Location: West Lebanon NH. Second, you can upgrade to high-quality speakers. AudioPhonics Well-Known Member Thread Starter Location: Dallas, TX U.S.A. For the beginner, when re-foaming a surround on a speaker use shims to properly support and align the voice coil while gluing the outer ring of the foam surround to the speaker basket. Thanks Frank and Carl. To shim or not to shim, that is the question. One of the final steps is to attach the dust caps. It has a slide and you can select what you want. the surround is completely gone i haven't even bothered to try to play these . D I.D. Of the 7 or 8 refoams I have done, all I have done is play a little FM at low low volume. D I.D. Attention International Shipping! 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You can leave the glue to dry and admire your hard work at this point. It also comes with the glue etc About 24 bucks. Foam is also lighter and doesnt last as long (up to 5 years). Get some E6000 or Go2 Glue from Home depot and glue the tear with a very thin layer of adhesive. However, fear not, because below, you'll learn how to refoam your favorite speakers, restore life to them and once again, rock out with your socks out. I have yet to lose a driver with this method. Besides, foam replacement can be done with foam, rubber, or cloth surround replacements. D I.D. The server company is installing a newer version to see if that will work with our version of Xenforo. Carefully press the surround to the frame. Refoaming speakers. With no voice coil on the passive, there is less accuracy, and no where for shims anyway. I then sold the new pair without opening the boxes. FREE shipping to any USA address. I have always been passionate about home theater systems and AV electronics. Re: Is a voicecoil shim always required for a refoam.huh? Or fastest delivery Apr 18 - 21 . Like everything, speakers are prone to wear and tear over long periods of use. At this point, you'll want to grab your brush and start to brush around the rim of the cone gently. ^ This. B Roll ends = 5.25 . the rings) surrounding the speaker deteriorates naturally over time. A O.D. Sean Ryan, Tom Ryan, and the crew at Simply Speakers. Have never shimmed a single one. Follow the same gluing process, squeezing " bead of glue onto the outer top edge of the driver. Depending on your countrys customs some orders may take over 30-45 days. Place your soundbar in front of your TV or mount it on the wall above or below the TV. Once done, slip your knife under the gasket and gently pry it loose. D I.D. Disc Diameter (roll starts): 7.625, FLAT attachment to cone Affiliate programs and Mark the wires and terminals (positive and negative) before you remove the component so you will remember how to correctly reinstall it in the cabinet. Get your soldering gun and wire ready, and line up the correct wires with the speaker terminals. Installation average time is 30 minutes per speaker. Sealing Subwoofer Boxes: How To Seal A Subwoofer Box? At the same time, try to remove as much foam from the gasket and basket too. of the surround = 9.625 thanks Robert and Carl. Is a voicecoil shim always required for a refoam.huh? . I use about 32 wooden clothes-pins to clamp the surround to the baskets. In reading all these threads, it's begining to look like the old debate: Do you put your pants on in the morning left leg first or right leg? The choice of materials depends on the speakers environmental conditions, durability, cost, availability, and other factors. 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