Rigby also built rifles for the round based on the Magnum Mauser action, and these guns were masterpiecesabout as reliable as a repeating firearm could be, and far less money than a double. Mag. The .470 was an immediate success, and it remains the most popular of the Nitro Express cartridges. HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. Winchester investigated and found that the heavily compressed loads of ball powder that they were using, had a habit of clumping together causing fickle ignition and less than desirable performance. Introduced in 1970, the .458 Lott propelled 500-grain bullets at an honest 2,300 fps. Three years ago I bought one. Hello, a friend is selling a 460 Weatherby Magnum, as you know I have a 458 Lott and I am tempted to sell my Ceska and buy the 460 Weatherby. The two I got to shoot that I hadn't before was a .460 Weatherby Magnum and a Barrett .50 caliber rifle. [1] For faster navigation, this Iframe is preloading the Wikiwand page for .458 Lott. What Lott was looking for was a. Factory ammo is now available for the Lott, and brass is cheaper than for the .460. Solid bullets were not tested. That is because they are both high speed bullets. Available in .375 H&H, .416 Remington Magnum, and .458 Winchester Magnum, the Model 70 Safari Express is a fine representation of what many expect in a dangerous game rifle. Staff Alumnus . It won this test by a wide margin because it delivers tremendous power a useful distance with tolerable recoil. The.460 Weatherby Magnum was developed as an African hazardous game rifle cartridge for hunting large, thick-skinned dangerous species in Africa. It will handle the African elephant both Harry Manners and Wally Johnson used it to rack up some impressive totals and it may be just about perfect for lion and large brown bear. In spite of past glitches with the ammo, it works and it works very well. If you can have only one hunting rifle, the .375 H&H is the one. Learn how your comment data is processed. Lott became convinced Winchesters cartridge needed more velocity. In the days when the sun never set on the British Empire, the colonization of vast areas on the African continent and most all of India resulted in a requirement for heavy caliber, powerful rifles and ammunition to protect the homesteads from large and often dangerous animals. One point for every 10 yards beyond 150 yards for maximum effective range on non-dangerous, medium and large game, respectively, and one point deducted for every 10 yards less than 150 yards. In 1992 I took a Lott to Zimbabwe and killed my best buffalo with it. Olin introduced it to the shooting world in 1956. It drives a 500-grain bullet to 2,600 fps, for over 7,500 ft.-lbs. Gunworld Australia, QLD, 4118. 458 Winchester magnum; 458 LOTT; 460 Weatherby magnum; 470 Nitro express; 303 British; 8x57 JS; Munitions C02 et air soft; Munitions paintball; Munitions de dfense. The .375 H&H is not on this list. | The .500 Jeffery drives that 570-grain bullet to 2,300 fps, and it was until the advent of the .460 Weatherby the most powerful shoulder-fired rifle cartridge. Controlled expansion bullets, like this 300 grain .375 H&H Nosler Partition recovered from test media, are best for most dangerous game, except elephant. If the minimum energy range exceeds the minimum expansion range, the minimum expansion range becomes the maximum effective range since unexpanded bullets are much less effective regardless how much energy they possess. A-Frame (.285 BC/.300 SD) at 2275 fps. I have not yet released the 458 Lott because ammunition is very expensive. 256 Win Mag; 257 Roberts; 257 Weatherby Magnum; 26 Nosler; 260 Remington; 264 Win Mag; 270 Wby Mag; 270 Win; 270 WSM; 28 Nosler; 280 Rem Ackley Imp. Midway USA. The .458 Win. The 460 Weatherby Magnum case is made from a necked up.378 Weatherby Magnum case. Compared to its contemporaries, the 460 Weatherby Magnum has more energy at 150 yards than the .458 Winchester Magnum does at the muzzle and at a 100 yards more energy than the .458 Lott with factory ammunition. Many hunters and guides carry this firearm exclusively for back-up work. Wow. It is at its best up close and personal with the largest and most dangerous animals. If you like fast, and you enjoy heave bullets, the .416 Weatherby may be for you. and monish watch out it looks like he wants to indulge in some suspect passtimes with you !! The .458 Winchester, which was supposed to be the ballistic equal of the .470 NE, was not. Midway USA. While a .460 Weatherby Magnum will have greater killing power than a .416 Weatherby Magnum is true. 458 Lott Load Data. The idea of shooting something like a .460 Weatherby or .500 S&W may have positively frightened some of them. . Necking up the .378 Weatherby to hold .458-inch bullets, Weatherby surpassed the energy figures of the largest cartridges, to create the most powerful cartridge of all. The A-Frame penetrates deep into heavy, tough animals such as Cape buffalo, yet expands well enough for use against large, non-dangerous game (elk, moose, kudu, etc.). If fed higher-BC bullets than the A-Frame, its reasonable for medium and large game to 250 yards. of the Lott. Weatherby made the .460 Weatherby which is still one of the fastest commercial cartridges available on the market in this category. Weatherby also entered the .458 game in 1957, with their .460 Weatherby Magnum. presumably philip in china would expect his elephant to fall over dead on the spot if he shot it in the butt with a .460 !! For instance, a CZ 550 Safari Magnum chambered in .458 Lott is a capable rifle at both short range and out to about 200 yards, is very reliable, holds six cartridges (five in the magazine and one in the chamber), weighs less than 10 pounds with a scope, is an excellent dangerous game-stopper, and can be purchased for less than $2,000. The .450/400 3" Nitro Express is a wonderful cartridge for single-shots and double rifles. Rifles chambered for such exotic sounding names like .470 Nitro Express (NE), .475 #2 NE, .500 NE, and many others, along with the necessary ammunition, began showing up in both Africa and India. The treble grip action has removable firing-pin discs. With the new case capacity, the .458 Lott could drive a 500-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 2300 fps and 2570 foot-pounds energy. I think the 375 or the 9.3 Mauser might just be the happy one gun place for the majority of people out there. The .460 Weatherby Magnum has few peers for stopping dangerous African game. Needless to say it was a blast and a kick. Olin then hired African Professional Hunter David Ommanney to be their Winchester's Man in Africa, and followed up with a blistering advertising campaign to sell both rifles and ammunition. SKU : APAR308554M27 Smaller calibers definately have their place but its obvious by your statements that youve never hunted in Africa. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI) published voluntary standards for the cartridge in January 1994, hence it is not considered a proprietary cartridge. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. slug 2,100 fps to match the 5,000 f-p energy of the old 450 Nitro Express. All Rights Reserved. I took one to Zambia, and slew a buffalo, and a hippo, and all manner of other game, and had no problems with it whatsoever, but the impression I have is that its lost a lot of its popularity to other cartridges. But these critters deserve to be taken seriously. His published books include "Custom Rifles: Mastery of Wood & Metal," and "Modern Custom Guns, 2nd Edition," both available at GunDigestStore.com. Glad you enjoyed reading my article as much as I enjoyed writing it. I have never regretted the decision. It, along with the .375, is a great choice for Alaskan bear hunting where shots are sometimes on the long side, and it is a better choice if you have to dive into the alders after a wounded bear. https://www.africahunting.com/threads/zambia-takeri-reserve-zambias-special-place.64683/, https://www.africahunting.com/threads/zambia-zambian-adventure-takeri-game-reserve.24291/, https://www.africahunting.com/threads/zambia-hunting-report-takeri-private-reserve-zambia.16298/, https://www.africahunting.com/threads/zambia-takeri-reserve-zambia.24065/, https://www.africahunting.com/threaeller-safaris-coenraad-vermaak-safaris.32091/. Initially, the velocities didn't make that figure, and many hunters complained of a lack in terminal performance. The Lott is about optimum for a 500 grain 45 caliber elephant round. . I have killed two elephant with it and one with the 470 NE. Petersen's HUNTING Publisher, Kevin Steele is in the CZ booth with Dylan Rice at SHOT Show to talk about CZ 600 Series Trail rifle. .458 Lott Jack Lott designed the 458 Lott Ammo. 220 swift. When paired with a more aerodynamic bullet, the Three-Seven-Five becomes a genuine 400 yard hammer for large African plains game or North American elk. Why?, you gain only recoil IMO..and probably give up control feed. mag. And I wonder what is truly worth the change?. Most experts agree BCs around .400, or larger, make bullets fly flatter and drift less in cross-winds. This is the cartridge most African PHs advise their clients to bring on safari, especially if they bring just one gun. With the A-Frame, all these rounds have an MPBR between 200 and 240 yards, which places them in the same trajectory envelop as the .30-30, .308, and .30-06. The .378 Weatherby is a different animal altogether, and will really get those 300-grain slugs moving, driving them to a muzzle velocity of 2,950 fps. 458 lott 458 win. It's a Browning X-Bolt Stainless Stalker. It is based on the full length .375 H&H Magnum case blown out and shortened to 2.800 inches . It became an initial success, with PHs, wardens, wildlife managers and other professionals, along with the few visiting hunters venturing to that part of the world searching for elephant, buffalo, rhino, lions, tigers, etc., arming themselves with the new development. When coupled with the large powder charge needed for this unnecessary speed, the recoil jumps to .458 Win. Description: wanted savage model 170 30/30 in good condition. One point for every 10 yards beyond 150 yards for minimum expansion velocity, one point deducted for every 10 yards less. If I found a .416 Rem. Loaded up a 112g Charge of Win 760, and 114g of H4350. The ones that shoot back, Ive heard them called, and its a valid label. The .405 Winchester was one of Teddy Roosevelt's favorites, one he called his "medicine gun for lions" while on his famous safari across East Africa. The .450/400 3-inch Nitro Express (or .400 Jeffery) was introduced in 1902 and was an update of the blackpowder .450/400 3 -inch cartridge. It was at the top of the heap, until insurrections in both India and Sudan resulted in the English ban of all .45 caliber ammunition, resulting in the development of many replacement cartridges, but more about that in a minute. The rifle bashed him absolutely flat, which does not happen very often, but it also caused the ring finger and little finger in my left hand to go numb. The .700 steps up to a 1,000-grain bullet, propelled at 2,000 fps, with an energy yield of 9,050 ft.-lbs. It has enough power to stop an elephant, yet it wont disintegrate a whitetail deer. Roy Weatherby designed the 460 Weatherby Magnum, a belted, bottlenecked rifle cartridge, in 1958. 458 ULTRA CAT. Bullet diameter: .458 in (11.6 mm) It drives a 500-grain bullet to 2,600 fps, for over 7,500 ft.-lbs. I think too that cartridges like the .375 with their higher velocity shoot flatter as well and when one is hunting both dangerous and non-dangerous big game and especially when shooting at longer distances at non-dangerous game it is much easier to hit with the .375 because of its flatter trajectory. I have heard the recoil of the .378 Weatherby Magnum described as "soul crushing," and I'm not one to argue with that statement. Other .458 cartridges are the very popular .458 Lott, .458 Winchester Magnum and 450 Watts. As for those who say it is the man behind the rifle that matters- well such people should be ritually flogged. 460 ALLIANCE. All these cartridges will stop ferocious beasts at close range. One buffalo took a frontal chest shot at approx 30 feet and the bullet managed to exit out south end, after passing through its heart. It may not display this or other websites correctly. So swallow that lump in your throat and keep reading. Only when you move up to the .460 Wby. 500 gr. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." I chose a .375 Holland & Holland Magnum decades ago. The older 460 factory ammo at 500gr./2700 ft. per sec./8092ft. While there are some hunters that enjoy hunting with these .500s, but often they are reserved for the Professional Hunters who need to pursue wounded game at very close distances. And I remember the 458 being a lighter rifle and kicking more than the 460. Aero Precision. Looking at the ballistic performance of the .375 H&H, you'll find a trajectory highly reminiscent of the .30-06 Springfield, especially with some of the modern bullet developments. These three are also great choices for the big bears. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. Necking up the .378 Weatherby to hold .458-inch bullets, Weatherby surpassed the energy figures of the largest cartridges, to create the most powerful cartridge of all. Don't worry about the people who say either is enough to take out a bull elephant so what more do you need? 460 G & A No. Midway USA. The price of Weatherby ammo is even higher than for the Lott. The 458 Win. Their spitzer shape provides reasonable ballistic coefficients (BC) which gives them a flatter trajectory than traditional round-nose dangerous game bullets. Mine looks like 4.4 on my non digital calipers. It also features a tapered case that offers exceptional flexibility in reloading to lower muzzle velocities. Far too much emphasis is placed on bullet diameter and not enough on velocity as well as penetration. Sliding up the scale to the .410/.411-inch bore diameter, we find a couple of choices. Youll know that you have fired a gun, but the experience will not leave you walking in circles. Anything under 40 caliber is a cap gun!!! .375 H&H Cartridges. .460 Weatherby Magnum vs .458 Winchester Magnum, .460 Weatherby Magnum vs .600 Nitro Express. Mag. 1 in 458 lott at 9.25 lbs. 700 nitro side by side. Theres only a handful of authentically dangerous game out there, which is why rifles and cartridges for same are not sold in every gun store. ), large game (1500 ft-lbs), and dangerous game (3000 ft-lbs.). Sometimes you got the full 2150 fps behind your 510 grain bullet and sometimes you didnt. Housed in their Ruger Hawkeye African rifle, the .416 Ruger makes a good choice for the budget-minded hunter who wants the excellent performance of the 400-grain .416 bullets in a handy rifle. Just because a bullet diameter is the same between . Notify when available. Weatherby MDX01N460WR8B Mark V Deluxe 460 Wthby Mag Caliber with 2+1 Capacity, 26in Barrel, Blued Metal Finish Gloss Walnut Monte Carlo Stock Right Hand (Full Size) Hinterland #: 88702. Introduced in 1970, the .458 Lott propelled 500-grain bullets at an honest 2,300 fps. 470 CAPSTICK. MAGAZINES. This one is a particular favorite of mine, as it blends classic Africana with a slick-feeding, hard hitting cartridge. 5,5 mm 5,6 x 52 r . 505 Gibbs The last time I shot a .505 Gibbs, the gun was a CZ Safari Classics Magnum Express. In some cases, a particular cartridge is included just because the author thinks its interesting. Loaded to lower pressures with a 400 grain bullet, it becomes an instant .45-70 clone. Mag. It has power, reach, and tolerable (for a dangerous game round) recoil. Few .458 Winchester rifles wore a barrel that long, and almost none attained that velocityat least in the first few decades of existence. Mag. . The gun trade has to live somehow and every rifle sale and purchase is money in their pocket. . JavaScript is disabled. 2. Includes 1" (25mm) Opti lock bases and rings, front is offset backwards which means most 1" scopes will fit on . If you are on a plains game hunt in Africa, but decide to get a cull license for a Cape buffalo while in the field, either the .375 H&H or .416 Rem. Roy Weatherby designed the 460 Weatherby Magnum, a belted, bottlenecked rifle cartridge, in 1958. The guy who bought it was just as impressed with the Lott as I was. Enthusiasts pay for that performance level in the form of sharp and vicious recoil. Federal Premium Cape-Shok ammo in .470 Nitro Express. Note that Roy Weatherby killed and dropped, in its tracks, a Cape Buffalo with one shot from his .257 Weatherby Magnum. Which one is best then? A Heym Model 89B in .470 Nitro Express, on safari. Because it gives you two aimed shots quicker than anything else. The Lott delivers the goods (i.e., .450 NE ballistics) without excessive pressures. One caveat regarding the .405 Winchester: it was, and is, designed for a 300-grain bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2,200 fps, and that bullet has a relatively low Sectional Density (.252), so please be aware that can have a significant effect on penetration. The .600 is bigger, heavier and slower: a 900-grain bullet at 1,950 fps for 7,600 ft.-lbs. Many African PHs and Alaskan guides would rather you show up in camp with the .375 you can drive tacks with than the .505 Gibbs which gives you the shakes. They called it the .458 Winchester Magnum. Some hunting reports for Takeri Reserve Zambia posted by members of AfricaHunting.com: You must log in or register to reply here. 6 mm norma br. Hornady Dangerous Game Series Superformance in .458 Winchester Magnum. Another come back kid is the .404 Jeffery. That includes 45 Auto, 10MM, .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM, .45-70, .338 LM, and up to .460 Weatherby Magnum. 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